18 June 2005

"Nanjil Vellalar Vazhkai" by Nanjil Nadan

Today I received a copy of "Nanjil Vellalar Vazhkai" by Nanjil Nadan

Thanks to a chance friend on net, Mr. Ramalingam, who kindly sent me the book.

I finished the book in just 4 hours.

It is a book on the life and times of the Unique Kanyakumari District Nanjil Vellalar Pillai who are Non vegetarians, landowners, panniyars around that area.

They had 3 distinct separate groups - Marumakkal Thayam, Makkal vazhi, and the Saiva Vellala Pillai.

I belong to the Saivaite group.

The marumakkal and makkal vazhi is broadly discussed in this book.

Eventhough the Vellalars life, culture is more or less same across all this small distinctions.

When I read through the lines, I was overtaken by the sad fact that today many of the Vellalars are not in good times.

They are economically weak, poor, landless, upper class people only on the paper.

Kavimani Desika Vinyagam Pillai [from Putheri in KK dt.] wrote in 1917 "Marumakkal Vazhi Manmiyam"

Today this Nanjil man from Veera Narayanam [KK Dt] wrote this second manmiyam.

He agrees about the bad deeds done by Landowners of those times, "the burning sambavar [parayar] kudisaigal", the sexual exploitation, the untouchability etc. etc.

Even in Tuticorin Vaditheru, till recent times [1970's] I saw an arch and a central stone and a black stone culvert telling people of untouchable caste should not enter this area. Vaditheru remained a domian of Forward caste people till recent times.

Total Vaditheru was full of Vellalakkudi.
Wherever a Vellala goes, he tries to live within his own communities. he tries to avoid other low castes, at the most he may mingle with the
brahmins or othe equal high castes.


Now the same vaditheru is full of mixed castes, notedly the Fernando christians, who gave large money to buy such beautful old time houses with its rich old history.

That brings out some animosity from other castes immediately like the brahmins who are also suffering from such exclusivity and isolation.

So, in this New Era of Post Independence and Caste Conglomeration, the Brahmins and the Vellalas are the worst affected economically socially and politically.

Now the Political Power is with the Majority MBC and OBCs.
The Reservation Policy affected the two upper castes badly.
There should be a Reservation Policy based on Economical freedom.


OK, that is a matter for life to debate.
What are the other points which attracted me in this book?.


The various unique culinary culture of the Vellalas.
Eriseri, Ulandansoru, Mundharikoththu, Susian, Kzhiyadaikai, Kokkatta, Poivizhangai, Poriurundai...


The various readymade medicines of the Vellala homes..
muttaippaththu, kurunai kanchi, thaippal for sore eyes, kaichiya nalla ennai with red chilli for ears, nallennai kuliyal ...


The various small gods of the Vellalas.
Avvayaramman,Muppidathi, Mutharamman, Soolai Pidari, Santhana mari, Sudalai madan, Sastha, Aiyappan, Shiva, Murugan...


The unique Vellala- Nanjil Nattu Vellala style of Tamil speech -mostly bordering Kerala.
Ela = to call amma
Nornaatiyam
Asaththu poyi = forgot
...


KK dt. rice varietis
Vasarumindan, Veeramudan, Aanaikomban, aruvang kuruva, muttai kuruva, maikuruva, seeraka samba, punuhu samba, poombalai, thattravellai, seetha boham, panagkuruva, nenthirappalii, kattich samba, kalmanalvari, vallarakkan, kichili samba =18 types.


So these things are still followed, still remains..

OK, come to today's realities, i see the only emancipation for the Vellala community is by mixing with less socially fortunate people.

I saw lot of inter marriages going on in bramin caste to escape the FC stamp.

The same is a possibility and acceptable thing for Vellalas also.

In our large extended family there are many examples of inter marriages.. with SC, with Moopanar, with Nadar.

So I think it is a welcome change, if you are ready to change.

But if you are proud of your caste history, and casteist thinking, then i am sorry, the future is not so good.

Because in Tamilnadu there are lots of castes putting surname as "Pillais".

Within them lot of divisions, no unity.

As our site describes the various sects of Pillai, I suspect the PILLAI is not a caste name in OLD TAMILNADU.

The PILLAI is a common surname indicating most of the socially upgraded people, from the HARAPPAN times.

In Harappa they called Murugu Pillai [Lord Murugan], Anir Pillai [the squirrel] etc.

Even now in Kerala, a Post Man is called as "Anchal Pillai".

In Tamilnadu till recent times the Accountant is called "Kanakku Pillai"

So, any trade, if it becomes a respected trade, automatically emanicapated as a PILLAI sub caste.

Even there are VELALARs vs. VELLALARS.

The VELALARS are kuyavargal.

ILLATHU PILLAI are the house makers - the erstwhile building contractors -once upon a time the homes are made of Mansuvar - Sand.

So These many diiferent kinds of PILLAIs are all part of TAMILANDU, TAMILIANS and they never intermarry, they never accept them as one.

All have different types of Thali, different food styles, different cultures.

So it is by far impossible to unite them as a whole.

So if you are a FC Pillai, ready to inter marry with a Sozhiya Pillai or Illatthu Pillai or Koyil Pillai or Isai Vellala or Tuluva Pillai or any other Pillai....

Because only the PILLAI surname is same.
MODE OF LIVING is different.


Then it is equally same for you to marry with a NADAR or MOOPANAR or SC/ST.

I say all SAIVA PILLAIs and other FC PILLAIs, please change, accept the new life, accept other castes.

This is a very simple shortcut to your social stability.

Some people may ask what about Our Culture? what about our Tradition?... Ofcourse they have to change too.
They can change for the better.


DK party will be the happiest when the see such social change occur, because for this only Periar waited till this day.

But to follow Periar's Atheism and other Anti God theories will be bad for all the people of Tamilnadu.

Because in India is Spiritually rich nation.

Even other countries try to follow us. India has produced a lot of Spirtual Science products like YOGA.

HOROSCOPE, SIDDHA MEDICINE, AYUR VEDHA, TELEPATHY, KOODU VITTU KOODU PAITHAL, VARMA KALAI, RASAVATHAM and many other things are to follow and breath take the WESTERN NATIONS, very soon.

So MISSING THOSE THINGS will be a costly affiar and we will lose our Identity.

So, my immediate concern is, leave the caste ideologies, accept all people as TAMILIANS, then we can do wonders.

Like VOC, Ma.Po.Se, Ki.Aa.Pe, N.S.K, Kundrakkudi, Namakkal Kavingyar, Dr. Jeevanandham did.

People may be there to pull down you, But if you are hardworking and earnestly helping the PEOPLE OF TAMILNADU, you can raise to the top.

The FC Vellalas are cribbng that they supported the DK Party from Kudi Arasu to Viduthalai times of Periar, Veeramani, but they got nothing in return.

I remember my father say, that my grandpa was an ATHEIST MAN in Periar times, he bought KUDI ARASU, he destroyed 400 COCONUT TREEs in his THOPPU when GANDHI and PERIAR told to demonstrate against alcoholism.

See the DMK is ruled by a Isai Vellala [Karunanidhi]. The ADMK ruled by again a VELLALA NAIR [MGR].

But they never helped the FC VELLALAs, not because of their IDEOLOGY, but because of their FEAR of the KNOWLEDGE of the FC VELLALAs and HATE of the FC people, who once ruled them, once isolated them as lower people.

Even Kalaingayr Karunanidhi once sarcastly told in Tanjore DMK Mahanadu, the FC Pillais are "Poonool Podatha Parpanargal"

The same Thamil Inath Thaliavar bowed to Indira Gandhi and accepted her verdict of making new dams in Karnataka thereby causuing lots of social degradation of the KAVERI FC VELLALA PILLAIs and KARKARTHARs and BRAHMINS who were the land owners across the KAVERI BELT.

So, the ways are TWO.
1. Intermarry heavily with other PILLAI OBC/MBC castes -not blindly but with caution and study reg. suitabilty economically.


2. Intermarry with SC/ST, NADAR, MOOPANAR etc.-not blindly but with caution and study reg. suitabilty economically.

3. Give full attention to studies of your children and become a decent knowledge worker. Today We see lots of SOFTWARE, HARDWARE fields are in control by PILLAI people. They can do better as academicians, scientists, bankers,lawyers.

4. Avoid Businesses. If you are so much interested, then follow the successful COLOMBO VELLALA models, follow the successful RMKV, DA texiles as exapmles.

5. Never boast of your past, work for today, laurels will reach you.

6. Future is still bright if you are ready to leave the old baggage.

Time to Time I will write to you more, I hope you are all ready to hear me.

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33 comments:

  1. HI pasuji,

    I read your notes on Pillai community to excel. As such the governement is not ready to support the FC people. So the best one is to form a trust and appoint some great devoted pillai to take care of the trust so that people would trust the Trust. Now, we are not given any financial help by the government for our education, Right? So collect funds from our people. Why should we pay income tax a lot. Rather income tax can be partially paid to our trust which would be used for our pillai peopel to educate their pupil. What i mean to say is rather than expecting the government to support our children why shouldn't we support ourself.

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  6. Ravishankar DhanabalanThu Dec 04, 08:50:00 AM 2008

    Pasu Ji,
    Your views on our community is mindblowing.Very nice.Is it ok to have surname as Karkathar

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  7. Hi Pasu Ji,
    Well said, nicely written...In Malaysia, people are changing also, intermarriage based on economical background does happen..

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  8. Hi Pasuji,

    Great knowledge base on Pillais.

    Good work should continue,

    Regards,
    Senthil Kumar.

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  9. Pasu Ji,
    Your understanding of Illathu Pillai is totally wrong. House making(or contractors) was not their trade.
    The actual name was "Ezhathu Pillai" and that changed to Illathu Pillai in course of time.
    The pillai's migrated from Ceylon long long ago are called Ezhathu Pillai.

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  10. I accept Ganesh statement of Illathu Pillaimar.

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  11. Vanakam Pasu Ji,

    There seem to be approx 150 endogamous clans in the modern Vellalar fold. This includes non-Pillai Vellalar like Mudaliar and Kavundar.

    Perhaps it will be good to consolidate these 150 different groups as one community.

    Looking forward to read more about the Vellalars in your blog.

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  12. Kerala has made proficiency in Malayalam is a must to get Government jobs.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kerala-makes-knowledge-of-Malayalam-compulsory-for-jobs/articleshow/24300493.cms
    This move will adversely affect the communities like Nadar, Pillais, Nairs and Ezhavas who live in both side of the Border. It is customary for a Malayali living at Kanyakumari and Ooty to study in the Tamil Meedium. Now they cant get a job in Kerala. Similarly Sozhia Vellalars of Kerala though originally from Chola country might not know Tamil.
    The higher administrative Officers of Kerala mostly from Northern India normally need not have proficiency in Malayalam and need not write exam to prove it. The Higher administrative officers from Kerala working in Madras need not have Tamil proficiency. But poor job seeker who want to become a peon or watch man cant get a job in Kerala Government job unless he passe an exam.
    Nadar Pillais and Latin Christians who marry across borders will be the worst affected. Anti Dravidianism was practised by the British. The German Christian missionaries such as Arnos Padiri and Gundert glorified Sanskrit and Tulu writing system.
    Dravidians dont have linguistic borders either. Thus the Villavars who once ruled Kerala are scattered throughout Southern India (Villavar Bana) etc.
    The British made the Tulu Sanskrit language of Nambudiris, the Tulu Grantha Bhasa as Malayalam while banning the indigenous Malayanma (Malayalam-Tamil or Lingua Malabar Tamul) in the 19th century. The Portuguese admixture with Tamil Panickers had a new group of Christians called Mestizos in the 16th century. Portuguese and Dutch used to print Malayanma books with tamil Script from Ambazhakkad and Melur near Angamaly, Quilon and Thalassery. But British started the Tulu Grantha Bhasa of Nambudiris as Mallayalam in the 19th century.
    The Syrian Christians were taught Grantha Malayalam in 1815 AD when they opened the Kottayam seminary. Before the British arrival Sanskrit or Tulu Grantha Malayalam was never used by Keralas Christians. Most of the Kerala Christian books were printed with Tamil Types prior to 1800s. Iravikuttipilla Por a Malayanma book closely resembles Tamil.
    https://tidsskrift.dk/index.php/fundogforskning/article/view/1298/2076

    Until British came the word Malayalam (Malabar) itself meant Tamil. The Malabar English dictionary written in 1796 was a Tamil English Dictionary.
    http://www.hindu.com/2005/10/14/stories/2005101407670300.htm
    Now Tulu/Tigalari script is used to write Malayalam. Nambudiris Arya Ezhuthu contains many Prakrit and Sanskrit brought from Ahichatra their home town in Uttarkhand.
    While promoting the Tulu Tigalari writing system in Kerala the British banned Tulu writing system in Mangalore where they promoted Kannada there.

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  13. Malayalam made mandatory for government jobs in Kerala
    Candidates who had not studied Malayalam up to Class X, Class XII or graduation will have to pass the Senior Higher diploma course under the Malayalam Mission after they get appointment.
    The existing provisions of the Kerala Service Rules (KSR) would be applicable to persons belonging to the Tamil and Kannada minority groups. But The Rule X of the KSR has stipulated that members of the Kannada and Tamil minorities need to pass Malayalam exam within 10 years of their joining the service.
    Civil service officers hailing from other States but posted in Kerala are required to pass written and oral tests in Malayalam conducted by the PSC to be considered for increment and promotions.
    This will affect those communities who live in both Tamilnadu and Kerala. Nadars and Pillais will be the worst affected. Many Malayali Nadars have been studying Tamil when they reside in Tamil Nadu. Similarly Nairs and Ezhavas who reside in Kanyakumari Ooty and Neyveli study Tamil. Now they cant get jobs unless they pass the qualifying exam in Malayalam. At least eight percent of Tamil Nadus population have Kerala roots. Now they would find difficult to find Kerala Government jobs. Those with mixed origin cant become a forest guard unless he passes the qualifying exam in Kerala.

    There were two kinds of Languages in Kerala in the beginning of 19th century. One was Malayalam (Malayala Tamil) the majority language. The second one was the Sanskritised language of Nambudiris called Grantha Bhasa written with Tulu script.
    The British colonial rulers managed to ban Malayanma and all its books and started promoting the Grantha Malayalam written with Tulu script.

    The mother tongue of majority of Malyalis used to be a Tamil like language called Malanma (Malayalam-Tamil). Until 19th century most of the Malayalis were using Malanma (Malayalma) which was considered one of the three forms of Tamil Kodunthamil (Tamil, Senthamil and Kodunthamil). Portuguese called this native language of Malayalis Lingua Malabar Tamul. Or Malayala Tamil. This language was devoid of Sanskrit words.
    Malayanma used different writing systems.
    1)Malayanma script was used in southern Kerala which was a derivative of Tamil Vattezuthu
    2)Kolezhuthu or Crown language a system implemented by King Rajaraja Chola
    3)Modern Tamil Script was used by the Keralas Christians until 19th century. Not only Kerala Christians were using Tamil Script they never used Sanskrit or the Modern Tulu-Malayalam script until the British started teaching them in the 19th century.
    Francis White Ellis who studied Malayalma in 1815 considered it as Kodunthamil. Most of the Malayanma books written with Tamil script appear to be Tamil.

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  14. HOW BRITISH BANNED THE MALAYANMA (MALAYALAM-TAMIL)

    Tulu (Tigalari) script was used by Nambudiris who make hardly 3 percent of Keralas population to write their highly Sanskritised works . This language was called Grantha Bhasha and the European Missionaries called it Lingua Samscrudonicam. Grantha Bhasa contained more than 80 percent Sanskrit and 20 percent Malayalam(Tamil). The Tulu script or Tigalari script was used by Nambudiris because they migrated from Ahichatram in Uttarkhand to Tulunadu and then to Kerala in the second millennium. Tigalari script was a variant of Pallava Grantha script. Tigala people were the Karnataka subgroup of Tamil Vanniars. Tigalari was used to write religious books in Karnataka.

    Portuguese in the 16th century initially used Portuguese or Latin Script to write Malayanma of Kerala Christians. Alternating lines of Malaynma and Portuguese language were written.
    This language was then called Lingua Malabar Tamul or Tamil of Malabar (Kerala).
    Then the Kerala Christian works were printed using Tamil Script. The Malayanma-Tamil books were printed from Quilon Angamaly and Thalassery until 19th century.
    Copenhagen copy of Flos Sanctorum was printed using Tamil Script at the Dutch printing press at Ambazhakadu (Ambalacatta) near Angamaly in 1680. Thus Keralas Christians were using a Tamil like language until 19th century. No Modern Malayalam Christian books can be found in Kerala before the British arrival. Kerala Christians were using Tamil predominantly and Suriyani law books and Portuguese books in the early periods until 19th century.

    European colonial rule strengthened the Nepalese tribes from Ahichatram who migrated from Kerala. Matriarchal clans of Kerala with Tulunadu and Nepal/Uttarkhand origin appeared after the attack of Delhi Sulthanate in 1310 AD under Malik Kafur. After this period many of the Tulunadus Bunts subgroups such as Nayara Menava Kuruba and Samantha appeared in Kerala as rulers and Matriarchy hitherto a custom of Nepal and Tulunadu came to Kerala. Samantha a Bunt subgroup became the Kings of Kerala after 1300s. Thus Bunt/Nairs of Kerala might have moved from Ahichatra in Uttarkhand as mentioned in the Keralolpathy. Many Bunt groups such as Nayara Hegde,Menava, Kuruba and Samanthas appeared in Kerala and Matriarchy appeared in the same time after 1300. The Tulu-Nepalese rulers called themselves Madambi or Madanambi after the Ahichatra Madasthana at Uttarkhand from where they migrated to Kerala.
    Samantha, a Bunt subgroup who became the Kerala rulers adopted the Villavar titles such as Kulasekhara. They were known as Samantha Kshatriyas they were not ethnically related to Tamils.

    The opportunistic European colonial rulers supported the Tulu-Nepalese tribesmen aganist the local Vellala,Villavar-Panicker people.

    Europeans supported the Tulu-Nepalese dynasty with the mixed blooded Mestizo Christians from 1500s. Thus gradually the language of native Dravidian Malayalis, the Malayanma declined as the Tamil rooted people declined in Kerala. European colonialism banned the native Dravidian Malayalam-Tamil and replaced it with Grantha Malayalam of Nambudiris.

    The discovery that Sanskrit was closely related to German language led many Europeans to study the Nambudiri language Grantha Bhasa then called Lingua Samscrudonicam. Or Lingua Sancriticum by Europeans.
    A Christian Meztizos (mixed Portuguese and Indian ) like Garneiro studied Grantha Bhasa who made the subtitles in Hortus Malabaricus a Botanical Encyclopedia compiled in 1675.
    Itti Achuthan the Ezhava author of Hortus Malabaricus was using Malayanma and was using Kolezuthu to write Hortus.
    Arnos Padiri a Dutch German missionary was the first European to write in the Grantha Bhasa. He wrote the grammer for the Grantha Bhasa called Grantha Bhasayude Vyakaranam (now often people mistake that he wrote the first Malayalam Grammer).


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  15. MALAYANMA (KODUNTHAMIL OR MALAYALAM-TAMIL)
    In the 19th century the British missionaries started promoting Sanskrit language of Namubdiris The Grantha Bhasa written with Tigalari script. The British promoted the Grantha Bhasa as Malayalam while abandoning the Malayanma. In 1815 the British started teaching the Syrian Christian priests Grantha Bhasa of Nambudiris at Church Mission Society Kottayam. In 1844 the British started a Sanskrit college under Father Chavara Kuriakose Achan. No Kerala Christian books written with modern Malayalam script or language can be found prior to the British established their rule in the 19th century.

    However the Europeans did not succed in their efforts to replace Malayanma completely. In the latter period the Malayanma words got integrated to Grantha Bhasa and a Grantha Malayalam written with Tigalari (Tulu) script was made the standard in the 19th century.
    Destruction of Malayanma also destroyed most of the traditional Malayanma books in Kerala.
    Actually Kerala has only few books written by Nambudiris in the 17th century onwards which are basically Sanskrit books with eighty percent Sanskrit and 20 percent Malayalam.
    Some books from Malayanma era do exist.
    Many of the Palm leaf manuscripts of Kerala display a language which closely resemble Tamil. Ravikuttipilla Por a book written in 17th century at Travancore virtually indistinquishable from Tamil. Vadakkan Pattukal and few other Kerala folk songs don’t use Sanskrit as Malayanma used no Sanskrit.
    Now many of the Dravidian Malayalis never realize how the British duped them by teaching them Grantha Bhasa written with Tulu Script. But Nadan Malayalam hardly uses Sanskrit and its coming back once again. Strangely Malayalam is much more closer to Sangham Tamil than modern Tamil. Thus all the words in Thirukural can be found in Malayalam not in Tamil despite the fact it is Sancritised.

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  16. LINGUA MALABAR TAMUL

    Lingua Malabar Tamul
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_Malabar_Tamul
    http://www.hindu.com/2005/10/14/stories/2005101407670300.htm
    http://www.hindu.com/2007/04/03/stories/2007040312680500.htm
    Malayalma or Malaynma (Malabar Tamil)
    F.W. Ellis: A Dissertation on the Malayal̤ma Language
    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=toRkAAAAMAAJ&q=Malayalma&source=gbs_word_cloud_r&cad=3
    COPEN HAGEN COPY OF FLOS SANCTORUM written in Tamil script from Angamaly
    https://tidsskrift.dk/index.php/fundogforskning/article/view/1298/2076

    HORTUS MALABARICUS written by ITTY ACHUTHAN
    http://historicalleys.blogspot.in/2010_01_01_archive.html

    Tulu script or Tigalari script
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Tigalari-manuscript-Vidyamadhaviyam.jpg

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tigalari-sanskrit-manuscript.jpg


    GRANTHA BHASA or Lingua Samscritica

    Dissertation on the Sanskrit Language
    By Paulinus A.S. Bartholomaeo
    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=_XBCAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA177&lpg=PA177&dq=Lingua+samscru&source=bl&ots=3wk506foME&sig=99lvz1yE5V-MPPJM-cwgOJmDRxs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pu6lU9CbGI-RuASstILIDA&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Lingua%20samscru&f=false

    Malayalam Made Compulsory
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kerala-makes-knowledge-of-Malayalam-compulsory-for-jobs/articleshow/24300493.cms
    http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/Malayalam-made-mandatory-for-government-jobs-in-Kerala/2013/10/18/article1841429.ece
    http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-kerala/cheers-to-the-move-to-make-malayalam-must-for-govt-job/article5250291.ece




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  17. Mr. pasug, hai how are you. Why you admitted these crooks like vilmeenkodi. Plz delete these unworthy comments without any proof. If these vilmeenkodi having evidence just print the inscription to point the royalty of these palm-wine servants.
    Where is the evidence of having shanar for vil(bow) or meen(fish) embelem.
    If villavars are shanars where is the archery for skill of bow is there any evidence.
    These frauds are only liquor transmitters and palm juice extractor. The shanars curse chola king karikalan for took them slavery to build a dam in “Agila thirattu ammanai”.
    If they are pandiyars means where is the name for “meenavan” or “Madurai kavalan” having any evidence. No. Is there evidence for shanars worship “Meenakshi amman”. They dhinathanthi sivanthi aathitha nadir claim linege of kannada king “Vengala raja” who defeted “Vettum Perumal Pandiyan”.
    If they are pandiyan means why they claim the kannada king. Dilamo frauds.

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  18. Pseudo Kshatriyas or Fools. http://thesamnet.co.uk/
    கோவியர் நளவர் சாண்டார் என்கிற சாதிகள் தமிழ் நாட்டில் கிடயாது./
    சாண்டார் சிங்களவர்தான்.சாண்டார் (சான்றார்/சாணார் இப்பொழுது நாடார்) தமிழ்நாட்டில் அதிகளவில் மரமேறுகிறார்கள். கோவியர் சவம் காவுவதற்கு ஆந்திரக்காரர்ளால் கொண்டு வரப்பட்டவர்கள்.
    சோழமன்னன் இலங்கையை வெற்றி கொண்டபோது 12000 சாண்டார்களைச் சிறைப்பிடித்து அவர்களைக்கொண்டு தமிழ்நாட்டில் காவிரி அணையைச் செப்பனிட்டான்.
    துட்ட கைமுனுவின் மகன் சாலியா சண்டாள(චණ්ඩාල) பெண் மீது காதல் கொண்டதும் பின்னர் மணம் முடித்ததும் அதனால் துட்டகைமுனு “சண்டாள” என்பவர்களை அனுராதபுரியிலிருந்து துரத்தியதாகவும் மகா வம்சம் கூறுகிறது. அந்த சண்டாளர்கள் வளமில்லாத வடக்கு நோக்கி வந்து குடியேறியிருக்கலாம் என்பதே தற்போதுள்ள அனுமானம்
    சண்டாளனாக பிறந்த ஒருவன் ஏழுபிரவிகளை கடந்தாலொழிய அவன் வீடுபேறு இயலாது என்கின்றது வேதம். சண்டாளனாக கருதுபவர்களை நேரில் பார்க்க கூடாது என்பது தமிழரசர்கள் ஆனை.
    Castism in Sinhala Buddhism:writers from Colombu Telegraph
    Duruve or toddy tappers of sinhala called nadar or Ezhavas in india.Mangala samaraweera,minister of foreign affairs
    of rajapakse belong to Duruve.
    மங்கல சமரவீரா என்னும் வெளியுறவுதுறை சிங்கள அமைச்சர் துருவர் சமூகத்தினர் என கூறுகின்றது கொழும்பு. இவர் தமிழகத்தில் நாடார் மற்றும் ஈழவர் வகுப்பர் என கூறுகின்றனர்.
    The Shanars have, as a class, from time immemorial, been devoted to the cultivation of the palmyra palm, and to the collection of the juice, and manufacture of liquor There are no grounds whatever for regarding them as of Aryan origin. Their worship was a form of demonology, and their position in general social estimation appears to have been just above that of Pallas, Pariahs, and Chucklies (Chakkiliyans), who are on all from it. hands regarded as unclean, and prohibited from the use * Madras Census Report, 1901. 37 1 of the SHANAN
    * on the Pariah caste in Travancore, the Rev. Mateer narrates a legend that the Shanans are descended from Adi, the daughter of a Pariah woman at Karuvur, who taught them to climb the palm tree, and S. prepared a medicine which would protect them from The squirrels also ate some falling from the high trees. of it, and enjoy a similar immunity. It is recorded, that in the Gazetteer of " the Madura.
    If The are villavar means what is mention in “Mattakalappu Manmiyum”
    சாண்(டா)ர்:
    களுவத்தை பனிக்கன்,வேலாப்பனிக்கன்,கருத்தகன்னி,பத்தினாச்சிகுடி,கருப்பட்டிகாச்சி,குயக்குடி,பாலைபனிக்கங்குடி
    களுவத்த பணிக்கன் வேலன் கறுத்தக்கண்ணி பத்திச்சி
    கொளுங்க குப்பட்டி குசவன் பாலன்குட்டி வகைகளதாக்கி
    நழுவிய நம்பிமாரை நழவரென்ற வரியிற்சேர்த்து
    வழுவில்லா மதுவெடுக்கும் வருணமென்றியம்பினாரே.

    Is t his the subdivision of nadar from pandiya,chola,chera or jesus or phonecians or jews. Nothing.

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  19. Who are villavars?
    “Mattakalappu manmiyam”
    முக்குகர் வன்னிமை

    சீர்தங்கு வில்லவரும் பணிக்கனாரும் சிறந்த சட்டிலான்தனஞ்சயன்றான்
    கார்தங்கு மாளவன் சங்குபயத்தன கச்சிலாகுடி முற்குகரினமேழேகான்
    வார்தங்குகுகன் வாளரசகண்டன் வளர்மாசுகரத்தவன் போர்வீர கண்டன்
    பார்தங்கு தண்டவாணமுண்டன் பழமைசெறி

    மறவர் குடி:
    சங்குபத்தன் குடி, கோப்பிகுடி,கச்சிலாகுடி,சட்டிகுடி,மாளவண்குடி,முண்டன் குடி,முரண்டன் குடி.

    மறவரில் முண்டன் குடி,முரண்டங்குடி,கச்சிலாங்குடி,மாளவன் குடி சட்டிகுடி,சங்குபயத்தங்குடி இருக்கும் முற்குகரில் முண்ட வன்னியன் முறண்ட வன்னியன், கிளைகாத்தவன்னியன் என மறவரின் தலைவர்கள் இருப்பார்கள். முற்குகர் மறவரே. குகன் என்ற இராம சேனை தலைவன் கொண்ட மறவரே இந்த முற்குக வன்னியர். வில்லவர்,தொண்டையர்,திரையர் இவர்களே யாழ்பான வன்னிமை மறவர்கள்.

    MurGugans the chieftains of “Arya chakravarthi dynasty” are the existing villavars of the tamil society.
    Not these frauds. Without having the skill of bow and archery no one claim Villavars.

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  20. And who is arya Chakravarthi?
    Kaling Maga a Chola-ganga prince invaded Sinhala society in 12th century who was the lineage of rajendra chola clan who appointed in kalinga later in years fall of tamil chola the cola ganga make a invasion of srilanka. Kalinga Magha,mention as a “Tamil King” from kalinga in mahavamsa why? Because he from chola-ganga tamil clan. He appointed “jeya bahu deva” this lineage is extend as “Chola ganga deva” as pandiyan genral appointed in jaffana.
    He is the founder of Arya chakravarthi. The name “Arya chakravarthi” is mean for SriRama god of Thiruppullani , deity Deivasilaiyan raman who is called “Raman,the Aryachakravarthi” by sanskritization.
    So the rulers of “Chola-ganga” clan of ary ckravarthi claim the title of Tiruppullani god “Raman arya chkravarthi” victory of srilanka. It does not mean for Brahmin . it mean God rama defet ravanna.
    Who aryachakravarthi belong to?
    The Maravar’s connections with Jaffna will be examined elsewhere in this study, especially in view of a recent attempt by a Jaffna historian to show that the early colonists of Jaffna were Maravar and that the rulers of Jaffna belonged to the Sethupathy clan of that caste. He has claimed that Vadamaradchi was in former days Vada Maravar Adchi [the domain of north Maravar]; ‘Yazh Kudi-etram’, K.Muthu Kumaraswamippillai, 1982, Chunnakam, Jaffna. Letter of Correspondent M.Raja Joganantham[Colombo 6]: Militarism and Caste [Lanka Guardian, July 15, 1992, p.16] With the reference to the above article in Lanka Guardian (1 July) 1992.
    Based of the evidence of cetu jaffana is known as twin epithets sethupathi and aryachakravarthi both belong to maravar chieftains of ramnathapuram--------- Srilankan Reader-John clifford molt

    Kalinga Magha (reigned 1215-1236), (Oriya: କଳିଙ୍ଗ ମଘା ,Tamil: கலிங்க மாகன்,Sinhala: කාලිංග මාඝ) also known as Magha the Tyrant, is an invader who is remembered primarily for his aggressive conquest and Hindu fanaticism. He is identified as the founder of the Jaffna kingdom and first king of the Aryacakravarti dynasty. Kalinga Magha was a prince from the Kingdom of Kalinga which was in the Orissa state of modern India. His family was connected to the rulers of Ramanathapuram in Tamil Nadu. Kalinga Magha’s relatives of Ramanathapuram administered the famous temple of Rameswaram.[1]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kalinga_Magha&oldid=635746238

    The brutality of the Maravar invaders has bequeathed the word "maravara balaya" to the Sinhala language to denote the power of brutality, extreme cruelty and intimidation displayed first by the Maravar warriors of Kalinga Magha. NJ cites several comparable cases from diverse cultures across the globe. Without condoning it, Jayaweera says that the brutality of the modern LTTE is only a manifestation of this historical barbarism of the Maravars.
    http://www.island.lk/
    Some comments on Neville Jayaweera’s autobiographical Reflections

    So aryacakravarthi and sethupathi belong to chola-ganga clan of cholas.

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  21. Mahabali vanathirayars?
    Is thes also belong to these untouchable frauds no. South India after pandya dynasty mahabali vanathiryars belong to Vettu mahabali Agamudyars(Generals),Nattar ambala Kallars and Thuluva vellalar (Ministers) who governed in Madurai territory. In Tanjavur and Thiruvannamalai Pargavagula udayars and vanniyars also belong to these clans. IN kongu some of the kongu vellala goundars having vanathirayar title.
    Mahabali vanathirayar belong to Very ancient Chera clan called “VANAVAR” from prahalatha and mahabali of kerala putra or Chera kingdom.
    Velir tradition where supposed mix with Vellalars.
    Who are pandiyars?
    The pandiyars are hailing supposed to be two clans only Maravar and Parathavar. But the account of Narasa nayaka ,father of Krishna deva raya defeted “Marava ruler of Madurai”. “Madura mahesam maravaya thathvam” in his aamulya abhyuktham.It supposed to be that in account he defeted Manakavasan,korkai pandiyan and Five pandiyars of tenkasi only not other rulers in tamil nadu. So the Manakavasan belong to maravar clan.
    Anjukottai Nadalvar- Today also living Anjukottai Nattu ambalam(anjukothu maravar) claim as “Thiruvadanai pandiyar” facing Vishwanatha nayakkar in his invasion. Today in thiruvadanai,anjukottai you see the anjukootai ambalam.

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  22. Who are Nadalvars?
    These frauds claim their caste name as “Nadalvars” instead of shanars. If they are Nadalvars means which country they ruled whether it small or big. What is the name of country . what is the caste name whether shanar or nadar?shittttttttttttttttttttttt
    Nadalvars are nothing but the “Nattamai”karars in late or “Nattar” or two or more joined village administers. Some place it called as “nattu ambalam”.
    Nattars are belong only to mukkulathors,vellalars,udayars,vanniyars,mutharayars only not these frauds.
    From Thanjavur to pudhukottai to Madurai a large number of Kallars having nattar title admin these smalla areas. Same udayars are “Seemai naatars “ for north Cauvery region. In vanniyar area vanniyar are nattars and mutharayar area so. In kongu and pudhukottai regions “Vellalars” hailing as nattars.
    Maravars are lot of nadalvar title in inscription adhaliyur nadalvan,anjukottai nadalvan,kalvayil nadalvan,kodumbai nadalvan,karkudi nadalvan,rajasinga nadalvan..etc….later lot of palaiyams are govern by these existing “Nadalvars or Arayars” in Kingship tradion.

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  23. Shanars:
    Who are they?
    SHANAN One 374 of the good qualities of Sir Thomas Munro, formerly Governor of Madras, was that, like Rama and Rob Roy, his arms reached to his knees, or, in other words, he possessed the kingly quality of an Ajanubahu, which is the heritage of kings, or those who have blue blood in them. I This particular anatomical character have met with myself only once, in a Shanan, whose 173 21 cm.). height was (-{- and span of the arms 194 cm. Rob Roy, it will be remembered, could, cm. without stooping, tie his garters, which were placed two inches below the knee. For a detailed account of demonolatry among the Shanans, I would refer the reader to the Rev. R. Tinnevelly (afterwards Bishop) Caldwell's now scarce Shanans (1849), written when he was a young and impul' ' sive missionary, and the publication of which I believe that the learned and kind-hearted divine lived to regret. Those Shanans who are engaged in the palmyra (Borassus flabellifer) forests in extracting the juice of the palm-tree climb with marvellous activity and dexterity. a proverb that, if you desire to climb trees, you must be born a Shanan. A palmyra climber will, it has been calculated, go up from forty to is There fifty trees, each forty to is The story told by high, three times a day. Bishop Caldwell of a man who was fifty feet sitting upon a leaf-stalk at the top of a palmyra palm in a high wind, when the stalk gave way, and he came down to the ground safely and quietly, sitting on the leaf, which served the purpose of a natural parachute. Woodpeckers are called Shanara kurivi by birdcatchers, The Hindus," because they climb trees like Shanars. the Rev. (afterwards Canon) A. Margoschis writes,* * Christianity " and Caste, 1893. 375 " SHANAN

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  24. Census Superintendent, " the claim of the Shanans to enter the 1901, writes, temples, in spite of the rules in the Agama Shastras that toddy-drawers are not to be allowed into Hindu them ; but the pretensions of the community date back * Administration Report, 1899. SHANAN Travancore, because female Christian converts belonging to it gave up the caste practice of going about without an upper cloth." On this point Mr. G. T. Mackenzie informs us * that " in the first quarter of the nineteenth century, the riot from 1858, when a occurred in female converts to Christianity in the extreme south ventured, contrary to the old rules for the lower castes, to clothe themselves above the waist. This innovation was made the occasion of disturbances. for threats, violence, and in series Similar disturbances arose from the thirty same cause nearly years later, and, 1859, Sir Charles Trevelyan, Governor of Madras, interfered, and granted permission to the women of the lower castes to wear a cloth over the breasts and shoulders. The was issued by the Maharaja of following proclamation Travancore hereby proclaim that there is no objection tQ Shanan women either putting on a jacket : We like the Christian Shanan women, or to creeds dressing in coarse cloth, selves round with it as the Mukkavattigal (fisherwomen) do, or to their covering their bosoms in any manner of all Shanan women and tying them- " of high castes." Shortly after 1858, pamphlets began to be written and published by people of the caste, setting out their claims to be whatever, but not like women In 1874 they endeavoured to establish a Kshatriyas. right to enter the great Minakshi temple at Madura, and they have since claimed to be allowed to wear the sacred thread, and to have palanquins at their but failed, weddings. They say they are descended from the Chera, in Chola and Pandya kings Kshatriyas legal ; they have styled themselves labelled their schools papers ; ; Kshatriya academy got Brahmans * of the less particular Christianity in Travancore, 1901. SHANAN kind to do purohit's work ; 366 for had poems composed on their kingly origin gone through a sort of incomplete parody of the ceremony of investiture with the ; them sacred thread ; talked much in but ignorantly of their to sign documents on festive occapalanquins at Nazareth in Tinnevelly, for sions." [During my stay the purpose of taking measurements of the Shanans, I gotras ; and induced needy persons agreeing to carry them received a visit from some elders of the community from arrived in palanquins, and bearing weapons of old device.] Their boldest stroke was to aver that Kuttam, who the coins commonly known as Shanans' cash were struck ' by sovereign ancestors of the caste. The author of a pamphlet entitled Bishop Caldwell and the Tinnevelly

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  25. In a petition to myself from certain Shanans of Nazareth, signed by a very large number of the com" Short account of the munity, and bearing the title Cantras or Tamil Xatras, the original but down-trodden royal race " of Southern India," they write as follows. humbly beg to say that we are the descendants of the Pandya or Dravida Xatra race, who, shortly after the universal deluge of Noah, first disafforested and colonized this land of South India under the guidance of Agastya Muni. The whole world was destroyed by flood about We B.C. 3100 (Dr. Hale's calculation), when Noah, otherwise called Vaivasvata-manu or Satyavrata, was saved with his family of seven persons in an ark or covered ship, which rested upon the highest mountain of the Aryavarta country. rapidly replenished Hence his the whole earth was by descendants. One of his grandsons (nine great Prajapatis) was Atri, whose son Candra was the ancestor of the noblest class of the Xatras " ranked above the Brahmans, and the first illustrious monarch of the post-diluvian world." Apparently," the Census Superintendent continues, "judging from the Shanan's own published statements of their case, they rest their claims chiefly upon etymological derivations of their caste name Shanan, and of Nadan and Gramani, and names are, their two usual titles. Caste titles little however, of recent origin, and SHANAN 368 can be inferred from them, whatever their meaning may be shown to be. Brahmans, for example, appear to have borne the titles of Pillai and Mudali, which are now only used by Sudras, and the Nayak kings, on the other hand, called themselves Aiyar, which is now To this day exclusively the title of Saivite Brahmans. the cultivating Vellalas, the weaving Kaikolars, and the semi-civilised hill tribe of the Jatapus use equally the title of Mudali, and the Balijas and Telagas call themselves Rao, which is properly the title of Mahratta Brahmans. exercised. literature at Regarding the derivation of the words Shanan, Nadan and Gramani, much Shanan all

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  26. In the inscriptions of Rajaraja Chola (A.D. 984-1013) toddy-drawers are referred to as Iluvans. According to Pingalandai, a dictionary of the loth or names of the toddy-drawer castes are To these the ChudaPalaiyar, Tuvasar, and Paduvar. mani Nikandu, a Tamil dictionary of the i6th century, century, the nth adds Saundigar. Apparently, therefore, the Sanskrit word Saundigar must have been introduced (probably by the Brahmans) between the nth and i6th centuries, and is a Sanskrit rendering of the word From Iluvan. Saundigar to Shanan is nqt a long step in the corruption The Shanans say that Shanan is derived of words. from the Tamil word Sanrar or Sanror, which means the learned or the noble. But it does not appear that the Shanans were ever called Sanrar or Sanror in any of the Tamil works. The two words Nadan and Gramani mean the same thing, namely, ruler of a country or of a village, the former being a Tamil, and the latter a Sanskrit word. Nadan, on the other hand, means a man who man who lives in the country, as opposed to Uran, the title resides in a village

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  27. SHANAN by the Shanans derivation It is is 370 in climbing palm-trees." The latter also given by Vellalas. worthy of note that the Tiyans, or Malabar toddy-drawers, addressione another, and are addressed by the lower classes as Shener, which form of Shanar.* is probably another The whole Shanans is story of the claims and pretensions of the out at length in the judgment in the case (1898) which was heard on appeal Kamudi temple And I may approbefore the High Court of Madras. set priately quote from the judgment. " There is no sort even suggests a probability that the Shanars are descendants from the Kshatriya or warrior castes of Hindus, or from the Nor is there Pandiya, Chola or Chera race of kings. of proof, nothing, say, that we may any distinction to be drawn between the Nadars and the ' ' Shanars. Shanar is the general name of the caste, just as Vellala and Maravar designate castes. Nadar is a assumed by certain members or families of the caste, just as Brahmins are called Aiyars, Aiyangars, and Raos. All Nadars are Shanars by caste, unless indeed they have abandoned caste, as many of them have by becoming Christians. title, mere more or less honorific, ' ' The Shanars have, as a class, from time immemorial, been devoted to the cultivation of the palmyra palm, and to the collection of the juice, and manufacture of liquor There are no grounds whatever for regarding them as of Aryan origin. Their worship was a form of demonology, and their position in general social estimation appears to have been just above that of Pallas, Pariahs, and Chucklies (Chakkiliyans), who are on all from it. hands

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  28. Plz Dont Publish Such an Unworthy type of Prose of Vilmeen kodi because if an inscription means shanar as a pandiyans means which place where in the inscription that a pandya or a chola or achera belong to shanars and vilmeenkodi must put the year,no. of inscriotion, and whom it took. otherwize it must be in dustbin not in blogger

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  29. Dear Manu Needi Chozhan Sir,

    Thanks for your RIGHT comments.
    Yes. I know SHANARS NADARS are not the original PANDIYANS.
    Pandiya Vellalars were the original Pandiyan Kings.
    Pandiya Vellalar Kings History comes in Nankudi Vellalar Varalaru.
    Chera Vellalar Kings still rule Kerala Cherala Choram pona Chera Vellalar vamsam, which took roots from Venad, Moosu Kuntha Naadu, Kodumbaloor Velir clans.
    Udaiyars of Karnataka and Moopanars are also part of SENGUNTHA MOOSUKUNTHA MUSUKUNTHA KUNTHI people of SETHI CHEDI rayars.
    CHEDI means plant vamsam - chedi - kodi - kozhunthu.
    CHOLA is a name from CHOLA MANDALAM - the CORN plant
    CHOLAM - the yellow corn - pop corn plant.
    THONDAI mandalam - means AA THONDAI chakravarthy - the THONDAI NAATTU Vellalar vamsam - the AA THONDAI chakravarthy mudaliyars.
    We Pillaimars, Royal Sons, Mudhaliyars - the INFANTRY REGIMENTS, the
    Chettiyars - the vaaniya bania people are the ORIGINAL AARIYARs.
    NADAR SHANARS can now become aariyars if they join us, mix with us,
    inter marry with us.
    Just like BRAMMA KSHATRIYARS were made from mixing kshatriya and aariyars, just like that KALLAR MARAVAR KANATHATHOR AGAMUDAIYAR mella maruvi VELLALAR aayinarey.....
    All castes of Tamils should be allowed to mobilise, move upwards as a Vellalar.
    Then only Tamilnadu can be peaceful.

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  30. The caste titles NAIR NAYAR NAIKS NAYAKS NAYIKAS NAYAKKARS are also given by VELLALA Kings to the jungle people of oddissa, andhra.
    We Vellalars made these Nairs, Nayaks for our military work we used them.
    We expected NAI DOG type nanri, gratitude from them so we named their caste as nayars, nairs, nayikkas, nayakkars etc.

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  31. Dear MANU NEEDHI CHOZHAN.
    I accept that VIL MEEN KODI SHANAR NADAR is a FRAUD.
    He is simply coming here on anonymous names and putting bullshit here.
    I agree that NADARs dont have any GLORIOUS past.
    But we must accept latest modern hard working nadars and take them as panayeri vellalars and mix with them for safe guarding tamil language, culture.
    Why to fight and divide tamils?

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  32. Dear MANU NEEDHI CHOZHAN,
    Yes i also agree that north indian - CHANDELA kings who built Khajuraho were also ancestors of CHANDELARS, CHANDALARS, CHANDARs, Chanars, Shanars.
    May be the Chandelar Kings have connections with Singhala Shanars, Singhala Eelavas, Ezhathu Pillaimars later called as Ezhavas, later known as Illathu Pillaimars and later founded the NARYANA GURU iyakkam.
    Same Ezhava Pillaimars, Ilathu Pillaimars joined with Ayya Vazhi iyakkam of Kanyakumari district.
    I am happy that Ezathu Pillais, Ezhavars, Ezhavas of Kerala and Sanars are all putting Pillaimar title.
    Slowly all caste must become united.
    We all Tamils must unite one as VELLALARS.
    AARIYARS.
    We all Tamils even the SC ST people must call themselves as DEVENDRA KULA VELLALARS
    just like Kallar Maravar Kanathathor Agamudaiyar Mella Maruvi Vellalar Aayinare
    all Tamil castes must become AARYANISED.
    AARYANSED means to become good.
    to become VEGANs.
    to become GODLY.
    to become close to SHIVA VISHNU.
    thats all.

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